
This Pic was an Facebook pic, a snap of content from the book The Journey was uploaded by my dearest Vikram, in his album
In response to which, the pic got 8 likes and over 20 comments. Usually i do not bother such, but here in this instance…i have had a raging urge to comment against the notion of liking it… because i see a standard inconsistency being cheaply shoved into heads. in this post, i will try and explain what in the content of this dialogue is very wrong. I could not manage to keep my argument attention span of the audience there, i do not expect to see it here either… it is a documentation solely to complete my argument.
The argument goes thus (starting from the comments on the FB)
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reader 1: Wow… awesome dude.. !!! i wanted the LOVE option rather than the like option!! (and other similar ones)
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reader 2: As much as I love India..At present very few people in India deserve India…200 years of foreign rule and we still have no shame…That is the problem the whole system is so rotten there are many people to blame..From the person who spits paan on the road to the corrupt politician…Even we citizens…Indians have no sense of nationalism like the Americans or the Middle East
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Vikram: u cant just blame a few…too many ppl involved in being what it is now.
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Piyush Sharma: yes.. read ‘India After Gandhi’ by Ramachandra Guha..
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Me: human race, the society, the whole of it…pushes for excellence and improvement…and this is a sum of individual efforts based solely on grounds of greed. i will not replace my mother because i m bound by history of her goodness. but what if ones father was a rich mean drunkard who beats? – virtues, like love and respect, must be earned- not … imposed. your girlfriend is not the most beautiful, but then, are you going to choose an ugly one because of that? you will, like her, look for better looking. we will always ask for more, we settle (marriage from where on a wife) for a choice when our craving exceeds the wait. when it is a choice…ask for more, that is human. better health care, better life, better education, a better nation of opportunities…’i belong to humanity, and there is no where to leave’…… get better reasons to loath America / love India.
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Vikram: @chaitu, i was not looking for reasons to loath america/india, it was a way to telling u that when u love something so much, it automatically becomes the most beautiful thing in the world, be it ur work, ppl, etc. , it was a way of telling u that u feel comfortable at a certain place and with certain ppl even if they are not the best around and … thats how it is…..and when ur the most comfortable, ur at peace. u can crave for the best but like u said, the best is of no good ..not for u nor for me.
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Me: @Vikram, to put it other way, to excel, to grow continuously or to crave for more and better becomes vexing and frustrating. you say, one must cease this pursuit, create a comfort zone, compromise and settle…i differ and my comments on this are beyond the scope of this audience. you win.
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Karthik Kroviddi: @Chaitu, it is not your comments that are beyond the scope of the audience here, but it is unconditional love that is behind the scope of your comprehension, hence you win.
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Me: @Kartik, Vikram: I totally agree to this- ‘what you love becomes the most beautiful thing.’ My mother loves me and i love her, that is not the argument here.Here it is ‘what you love? and why you should continue to “pursue” that love’ , -Why did Sachin choose to love cricket of all, and then why, when he had no one to prove his love to, made him hit that 200?
If you had to visit a brothel (america) to realize that your wife was better, then mistake not, that is sympathy, not love. If you were bought up in an orphanage, or forced into being a child labor, would the authors arguments still hold? talk of unconditional love to an orphan…what you are doing is patronizing a bad generalization.
the peace is in pursuit. the comfort is in excelling. the only compromise is winning. though frustrating and vexing… that spirit alone has moved the boulders of humanity, They alone who chose this path made a difference. Choose to be Sachin or his nameless “audience”…
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Karthik: @chaitu: I never intended to convey the message that love is to be the driving force. I staunchly believe Excellence is. In that way I might disagree with the author. How can you bring in an orphan into picture who is not introduced to love at all. Offtopic: Apparently, Sachin too plays for his nation. Atleast that is what he says.
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Afroz: What will a discussion on a subjective argument settle, it doesn’t settle anything, and I wouldn’t like to say anything more than what is necessary in public, however, if you want to offer an argument, I have an idea on that …..
Imagine you committed some kind of a crime, let’s say molesting a woman, or killing someone, in America, and you were stupid enough to let people see you, let’s say for the sake of argument if C Hanuma Chaitanya were to commit that crime, what would be the likely description that a typical american lady/man would give to the police, “approximately 5ft so and so inch, *INDIAN* male (well, they would most probably say Asian, and tell non chinese/japanese/korean) with spects, short and wavy hair”……and if they were lesser observant people, it would just be rough height and the race, leave the spects and the hair and the shave and all … only if they were practically blind would they leave the race i.e. Indian, out of the equation. Would the above passage be any different if C Hanuma Chaitanya were to give up his Indian passport and become an American citizen ? Never, they’ll be exactly the same
You and I and all of us are Indians, and that’s all we ca ever be, and that is solely the first detail people will give about you outside india the moment they look at you, because race is the only thing that is determinable without us having to open our mouths and waving our hands and running with legs, they can’t figure out if you were a brilliant 9 pointer in university till they let you speak, they can’t tell if you are a brilliant batsman till they see you bat, they can’t say if you are brilliant at poker till you play it, but only if they see you, they’ll tell you’re an Indian, because that is what God made you, and that is how he intended it to be….
Because you’ll always be an Indian, even if you take up American citizenship, you can only be an Indian. And atleast if not for anything else, even if you have no gratitude for the taxpayers who subsidized your education (I believe most of us here are from BITS/IIT system), you have to respect your Indian-ness because God meant it that way.
Now on the surface there seems to be a good counter argument, what if we were to do a plastic surgery and look like an american, then what ? Well, it’s stupid, but still, in that case you’ll never understand culture specific jokes/statements anything as such. And that would be very stupid, dressing like rappers and doing “Yo yo” on the american streets, we’ll only be out of place, the only thing we should be try doing is to be us, and be that well.
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till here already on the FB page
Me:@Karthik: Were not orphans, not born biologically? do they have not, mothers who carried them for months? What ever happened to the mothers unconditional love when she would leave it to an orphanage…Yes, she had her social circumstances which made her part…her “unconditional love is socio-economically circumstantial”… YES, you cannot talk of unconditional love to an orphan… which is my point there…the argument of the author fails…
Me: @Afroz, i do not see this as a subjective argument, i intend to show that the author has double standard.
I am not trying to change my ethnicity, neither am i denying that my race is obvious to guess. I am and will be a non-korean asian, for as long as i am here… there is no possibility or intention of changing that.. i most definitely respect my culture and appreciate it. that is the color and smell of me – i concur.
when i was born, it was not by my choice that i was born to my parents…nor did i choose my religion or my nation…i do not use the word ‘pride’ following nation or religion or ethnicity… because pride has to be associated with things that one accomplishes in ones lifetime, not by event of chance in a genetic accident (or your ‘God meant it that way’) prior to ones birth having no control or choice about which. i could have been born anywhere to anyone, but no here i am, with this set of society, and.. I am lucky, not proud to have a good upbringing… i m grateful to them, and to this country and its taxpayers for educating me. i respect them i adore them but then, i do not claim pride in it, because i m not proud to be 5’10 or if i have a cancer or if i was handicapped… you have to be proud abt things you achieve… the maximum you make of the given constrains of handicap,color, etc.(ultimate and universal being death), we all got one life, and it is painted with melanin of ethnicity…
Really then, are you even going to really bother abt it? because given that no matter who you are, and what your color is, you have constrains, specifically color in case of geographical reasons… height in some cases… rare genetic diseases…handicap…but universally everyone is bound to die…everything dies, but then, there is a resistance, there is hope in humanity to defeat it…to cheat death, disease, color, handicap…to change and bend the constrains to push them beyond break points. This, you see is true with what science is too, to push the limits of understanding, to know of the whole universe… the driving force of the idea is the fear of death or of perishing – the ultimate constrain…the resistance is knowledge or action of the combined individual humanity.. the question is whether you wish to contribute to which…will you sweat and give blood to this human endeavor? or rather lament / take pride in colors?… If you say the latter is important, then you are doing the same thing as a starving guy, complaining/cribbing, about his birth in poverty, without thinking or wanting to do anything about how or where to get his next meal. is the blind doing nothing? not learning the braille? is not the black contesting the presidential post? What is the first thing that occurs to you when you think of Neil Armstrong? honestly … is it the moon… or a white male…? Sachin reminds you of cricket first or Maharashtra?
you talk abt the color, what i talk of is sweat and blood it takes to wash that off, when you talks of is texture, what i talk of is its content, you talk of rough surfaces of materials, i am talking abt the strength of it and the annealing that it takes to make it strong.
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my other comments…
What i hated the most in the dialogue, apparently the strongest point of the author, Is this cheap tactic of stating a good generalization followed by a bad one and ending in the worst … the sentimental inclusion of mothers love, which is very much valid in most cases…(exception of some orphans etc.) then follows a not-always-valid fathers case., what ever happened to mean men who beat up their wives and children… really?, then follows the wife’s argument…no really… if your wife cheated on you (or vice verse)…you’d still love her? i wonder where all the divorces come from…the author should tell them all this argument…on an other note wonder why ppl break up in relationships… so, they if in effect already know that their gf/bf are not the most ‘perfect’ yet get committed… and fucking leave…to shit-crib abt it to their best friends…its plain old mockery…it is nonsense…to call your sporty desires a relationship, then. coming back to the last of his arguments of country… since all the previous arguments are valid irrespective of the country…say i m a Sundaes author… re-writing the same book, except changing India, to Sudan…Come back to Sudan, where you belong among the almost-dead of hunger. come… that is where you belong… why should you leave… (a cute cat pic goes here)
Another masterful shit the author pulled through here, is this…he mentions grace with respect to mother, rich for the father, beautiful for the wife and cleverly escapes the need to mention what it is that is wrong with India…or what it is that he is expecting from his country… its like the open secret you have to guess… does he mean the corruption..? I will assume he does mean something dubious like that…then… he is expecting you to “ADJUST” to it… because he is propagating to you as if there is “NO OTHER OPTION” – “PRINCIPLE”… which is what i hate…. he mentions no where to heal the issue, no where is he urging/inspiring you to participate for the change.. instead he is patronizing you to bear with shit…he shoved shit right into your head when you were thinking about your mom…because you were born into it he says…while a responsible author should ask you to clean the shit…make you, revolt and demand for a change. the best this argument will do to you, is to make you come back and make you bear with the already existing and acknowledged shit without cribbing or complaining about it…and what i have been exhaustively saying is…. then …PLEASE…. SHIT THERE….
say:
I am the captain of a Somalian ship, in a very bad shape, ancestral wealth you see, over used and under maintained, slowly over time it started to sink. the ship is sinking, sailors are drowning, and I yell to my men, “Our fathers were not the richest persons in the world, but we will not choose any other father because of that, our mothers, not the most gracious, we do not choose otherwise, our wives are not the most beautiful, we do not divorce them, this ship is our ancestral wealth, it represents cultural glory of our past, we will not abandon this and choose that one (pointing to the still standing ship next to mine)… drown you all… this is where you belong…this is martyrdom…be patriotic… die for what has given you bread all your life…this is your destiny… take pride… suffocate… die… and you will be remembered…”, they yell back, “Aye Aye! Captain!”… and like..sorry love…pic.
the reason you choose a different country is because you suffer from suffocation of your abilities, a stampede of your creativity, and nonsense of bureaucracy… you hunger growth, and you will do what it takes. time is now to build new ships. better ones of steel…annealed and stronger…what ever it takes…to stay alive and better.
Virtues, like respect and love must be earned not imposed.
You must be greedy to excel in everything you will ever do.
Anything left to stagnate or settle, including Love, ceases.
You do not owe anybody anything other than you yourself your life.
The only principle, the only scale, is your life and your time. Measure everything to it.
- sadly, vikram lost pursuit of this conversation long ago…not expecting anyone to reach till here…if you did, bravo for bearing up with me.
I will continue to argue, My single point being, the authors this specific argument is flawed and manipulatively placed for readership. please post comments, I will append and post them with my comments …
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